Mar 25 2018

DIY 2-pin tele: Fixing the Cable position

Now we get to the crux of building your own DIY 2-pin tele binding — the cable system. Being satisfied with the downhill performance of a tele tech binding is determined by:

  1. Position of the cable pivot (distance behind 2-pin line)
  2. Connection to the boot (real heel or 2nd heel)
  3. Springs used (stiffness and travel distance)

Mixing up a bit.  2-pins by Dynafit, cable block by Fritschi, BD cable assembly, G3 heel post.

Mixing it up a bit. 2-pins by Dynafit, cable block by Fritschi, BD cable assembly, G3 heel post.

Real or 2nd Heel?

The main difference between hooking a spring-loaded cable to the second heel (the duckbutt) or the real heel is the amount of tip pressure it creates. Connections at the duckbutt deliver a smoother engagement that has fast initiation, but does not over drive the shovel of a ski. By comparison, cables attached at the real heel deliver tip pressure in spades, enough that you will need to set your stance back so you don’t submarine in powder. While this sounds like it might compromise your tele style, adapting to this insures you will weight your rear foot sooner and, in time, more confidently. I’ll even go so far as to say that if you can make this adaption your tele turns will improve. Results will vary.

Comparing flex resistance to cable angle: Real heel (grn), 2nd heel (red). Graph courtesy Jason Quintana © 2016

Comparing flex resistance to cable angle: Real heel (grn), 2nd heel (red).
Graph courtesy Jason Quintana © 2016

If you opt for a 2nd heel connection the only reason to DIY is if you’re seeking perfection, are impatient, and have access to tools few do. Without CAD software and a 3-D printer the binding you’ve been waiting for is still future. There is hope to temper your impatience; the future is not too far away. If you’re willing to compromise on perfection and simply cannot wait, Meidjo, Lynx, or Outlaw may satisfy your cravings.

The main reason to go with a real heel connection is the simplicity of the binding. All the necessary hardware already exists, it is just a matter of picking the components and putting them together in the “right” configuration.

Ever since Russell Rainey introduced the Hammerhead the ability to adjust the cable pivot location has been seen as a benefit. Not necessarily so you can change it regularly, but so you can figure out what position you like the best for the majority of conditions. In general, the farther back the pivot location, the more active, or powerful the binding feels making turns. Conversely, the farther forward, the smaller the vertical component of the cable tension, the main contribution to perceived ‘activity,’ and the more neutral the tele sensation.

Off the shelf configurations

There are currently four commercially available kits for making a tele tech binding, B & D, Kreuzspitze, Moonlight Mountain Gear, and Olympus Mountain Gear.

B & D

B&D's 2-pin tele kit is super simple.

B&D’s 2-pin tele kit is super simple.

Take a simple aluminum shim and add posts to hook Voile Hardwire cables to and you have the B&D tele-tech adapter kit. It works with Dynafit 5-hole Legacy or 4-hole Radical baseplate patterns and uses the Targa 4-hole mounting pattern in the ski. B & D readily admits this has “a very smooth progressive heel tension…without the high activity of many current bindings.” There are two pivot positions available with this kit: 27mm and 40mm behind the pins, and 22 mm below. My estimate without actually skiing it is activity like Hammerhead #1 or #2 for turns. The cable can be removed for skinning to reduce drag weight. The creative DIY’er might use the components of this binding to make it more active. Such details are left to your imagination.


Another easy kit to install is the Kreuzspitz Telemark plate. This is a machined aluminum plate that uses the Enzo pattern – a classic 4-hole Targa pattern plus two more holes in between the ends — to mount to the ski. Get a Targa/Voile 4-hole jig for the corners and match drill the middle holes.

On the front half the plate has threaded holes for any 2-pin toe with either a Dynafit 5-hole legacy or Radical 4-hole pattern. On the back half is a steel plate covering three slots for an axle that you can attach Kreuzspitz or Voile Switchback/Hardwire cables to. Those slots correspond to cable pivot positions at 47, 59.7, and 72.4 mm behind pin line. On the Hammerhead activity scale they are approximately HH#2½, HH#3½, HH#4½ with standard springs, less with soft springs, more with stiffys.

Kreuzspitze plate is the epitome of a KISS design.

Kreuzspitze plate is the epitome of a KISS design.

As with the B&D plate, the cables can be removed to reduce drag weight in the skin track. Early adopter dschane pointed out that connecting the cable rods with the hooks upside down makes them less likely to fall off, except, perhaps, when shouldering skis.

Olympus Mountain Gear TTS Cable Kit

With OMG you’ll need more installation prowess; at the least you’ll be drilling more holes and may even be installing inserts. My advice is to borrow a Dynafit jig for the toe then make a jig or get a Jig-a-rex with a TTS template for the cable block. If you’re an old hand at this you should be adept with a paper template, masking tape, and the Carpenter’s Rule. Just be very, wary, careful; those boards cost a pretty penny.

OMG cable block mounted with inserts and machine screws.(The extra holes are from a previous binding)

OMG cable block mounted with inserts and machine screws.
(The extra holes are from a previous binding)

The beauty of the OMG kit is you have the freedom to experiment with cable locations other than the two recommended macro positions. The forward block position yields pivots at 45.1, 57.8, 70.5 mm (~HH#2½, HH#3½, HH#4½) and the rear position has pivots at 57.8, 70.5, 83.2 mm (HH#3½, HH#4½, HH#5½). The activity ratings are with standard springs, so less active with soft springs, more active with stiffys.

Side view of a Scarpa TX-Pro ('08) size 26.5 with 2-pins 30mm above the ski and a 20mm heel post. Sz Lg 2nd heel position indicated along with a size 29 heel located on a 30mm heel post. YMMV.

Side view of a Scarpa TX-Pro (’08) size 26.5 with 2-pins 30mm above the ski and a 20mm heel post. Sz Lg 2nd heel position indicated along with a size 29 heel located on a 30mm heel post. YMMV.

In my experience the half-inch (12.7mm) spacing of the three cable slots is probably adequate because you definitely notice the difference between each position. However, half that spacing again (¼”, 6.3mm) would be nice for fine tuning.

Until someone comes out with a cable system with smaller adjustment increments you will need to create it yourself, or be willing to experiment with different block positions. The problem is shifting the block only ¼” requires a new test block position and/or a spare pair of skis. As a general rule hole perimeters must be at least 5mm apart to maintain holding strength and more space between is better.

Proving the pivot point

Looking at what Kreuzspitz offers, OMG recommends, and Meidjo has defined, the 60mm position looks rather popular. Despite variance in the depth beneath the plane of the pin for each of these, the distance behind is too similar to ignore and begs to be a benchmark for comparison

In my own experience, 60mm is great for a 2nd heel connection, but a bit too active for a real heel connection, and yet, 47mm is too soft, implying that the 50-55mm zone is a good bet (hence my call for ¼”/6.3mm slot spacing). My boot size is 26.0 and as the graphic above makes clear, larger sizes can expect to shift back although not necessarily linear. In other words, a boot 20mm longer doesn’t mean the pivot should shift back 20mm. That’s why you need to experiment a bit.

Not only does distance behind the pins matter, so does vertical depth.Graph courtesy Jason Quintana © 2016

Not only does distance behind the pins matter, so does vertical depth.
Graph courtesy Jason Quintana © 2016

The common solution to custom positioning is to mount one binding to a two-by-four and experiment on the carpet with various block locations and slot positions. The main problem with carpet testing is the tele-resistance you feel in a static tele is not the same as what you would feel sliding on snow.

To calibrate what you’re feeling on the carpet compare with a known tele rig side by side. If you can, take it to the slopes on an old pair of rock skis to confirm your suspicions. It will take extra time, but should save you from compromising your brand new boards with extraneous holes.

JNicol's DIY TTS: G3 Ion toe, OMG cable system w/shims, 22D Hammerheel.

JNicol’s DIY TTS: G3 Ion toe, OMG cable system w/shims, 22D Hammerheel.

As ever, I recommend inserts for the OMG cable block. They let you adjust the position without compromising holding power of the threads and they increase retention strength.

rjmh added inserts.

rjmh added inserts.

Cable/Boot sizing

Another complication to finding the sweet spot revolves around the options available for cable rods and springs. The larger the boot the longer the cable assembly needs to be. Depending on the length spring used and the position desired you may find that you need to switch between short or long U-shaped cable rods with OMG, or long versus short cable rods from Voile. As will be detailed in the next episode of the DIY 2-pin chronicles, except for large boots (>28.5) the short rods should work for most boots.

Before you start drilling there remain two more ingredients to look at: the heel throw and the springs used, plus some recommendations on shimming. And a final note — if all this seems like too much work it probably is. The “normal” positions are probably good enough. At the least you’ll want to move the cable into the positions available and go with the best compromise. Save the tinkering to the pros and wait for the next “upgrade.”

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DIY 2-pin Tele Chronicles: State of the Art
DIY 2-pin Tele Chronicles: Picking your toes
Tele-tech Chronicles: Use the Force Luke

Ed. Note: Thus far in this series of articles dubbed the Telemark Tech Chronicles I’ve relied on 30 years of experience skiing every imaginable telemark binding put beneath my feet to set the stage for advising you in how and why you may want to join ranks on the bleeding edge of the tele tech revolution. In case you missed it, the why is to have Dynafit caliber touring efficiency with Hammerhead adjustability, power and control. In this part I’m indebted to the many folks who have shared their experiences building their variations on the 2-pin tele theme and flushing out performance limits. They deserve a moment in the limelight, including: dschane, jnicol, jasonq, cesare, rjmh, Allan Fici, Kenji, et cetera.

© 2017

  • Jacon

    The benefit of the Hammerhead was not just the activity or the adjustability, it was also the smooth compression supplied by one large spring, and without any of the friction or chafing from cartridge springs (which scuffed your boots, yes, but also on some setups creates odd “catch” points). Therefore, in my mind, the true holy grail of tele bindings is a tech-Hammerhead, by which I mean a tech toe, a cable guide underneath the foot (at whatever distance and depth you prefer), but most importantly, a tubular spring guide in front of the tech toe, on which you could mount one of the classic large Hammerhead spring assemblies. Like modern TTS systems, this would allow you to remove the spring and cable assembly for the uphill, thus truly competing with AT skiers on weight, but have that smooth compression and power transfer of a Hammerhead for the down. It’s all very clear in my head: anyone got a CNC machine?

  • Mark Thomasson

    Jacob, you have it! But just cut off the 75mm toe and screw on a tech toe, I have done it and very happy.

  • Gordon Bedford

    People might think me crazy but I would really like to match a 3 pin binding to the TTS type heel cable system. I like my Excursion boots and don’t want to try and find a Tele boot with tech inserts. Preferably it would be good to remove the heel system when doing uphill or on rolling ground.
    The problem with the Olympus system is that the heel assembly cannot be removed and replaced easily.
    I don’t know whether a 3 pin binding will fit onto a Kreuzspitz plate. I am not worried whether it has the screw holes in the right position as these can be drilled and tapped. Will the 3 pin binding fit on top of the plate but not block hooking the heel rods on and off.
    Actually what would be good is an Olympus plate with the Kreuzspitz knobs ( don’t know the correct term for what the heel rods hook on to).

    The trouble is I don’t want to fork out all that money to answer my questions.
    Consequently I would be most great full aof any assistance.

  • Mark Thomasson

    Gordon, I sympathise, Excursion is a good boot for light touring, mine finally wore out, so had to move on and up. If you are sticking with 75mm, get yourself a set of Axls, yes they are heavy, but the free-pivot makes up for that. You should find a good used pair from someone moving up to NTN / 2 pin. (ps you would be better to post in the Forum?)

  • Verskis

    Gordon, either I have completely mistaken your needs, or you can have your dream binding without any DIY work: Voile 3-pin Hardwire should be exactly what you are looking for , shouldn’t it?

  • Gordon Bedford

    Thanks for all the ideas. I have thought about the 3-pin Hardwire. I am impressed with the Kreuzspitz because you can take the heel cable off when not needed which I don’t think can be done with the Hardwire. I also liked the idea of changing the activity. I have never experienced an active binding. Anyway thanks.

  • Verskis

    As far as I know, if you install the heel cable hooks upside down, then they should be easy to take off and put on. I don’t have the Hardwire myself, but I have the Voile 3 Pin Cable binding, which are somewhat similar regarding the heel cable mounting. At least with those bindings it works fine, I only occasio ally use the cables when touring on rolling terrain.